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From pro-single payer to anti-government plans, a report from a raucous town hall in Virginia with Howard Dean

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Comment by RogueAutomotive

Fuc# sake! America’s system is soo far gone! They need to almost wipe tye slate clean and start again..
Comment by rickbar123

Look at all the stupid lap-dogs for the rich.
Like the filthy rich insurance CEOs give a shit about them. America the stupid.
Comment by rickbar123

right on
Comment by Spytheweb

Support HR 676, medicare for all. Single payer. The most effective cost system. Kill private insurance, who needs them. All you need is you your doctor and a payer, 4% for government or 30% for private insurance.
Comment by rring88

you dont know the half of it.
Comment by dkkght46

Obama gave his most deeply felt vision of America, delivering the boldest social democratic manifesto ever issued by a U.S. president. In American politics, you can’t get more left than that speech and still be on the playing field.
Comment by Thizzmotion

i agree with that. i hate regulatory institutions. but what do u do about established institutions like the dmv or ins or irs? do u think all institutions are bad? i guess what i’m trying to say is, realistically, the gov’t is growing bigger- democrats trying to get healthcare, and republicans have the defense industry. either way, both parties are for big government, except they’re backed by different industries. i agree with republican political philosophy, but that is not what is happening…
Comment by asalade

Forcing business to pay for the insurrance for their workers is bad too. In the first place “forcing” already means you are taking personal freedoms away and in the second place it just means corps will employ less workers, move their busness elsewhere and prices will definitely go up. Every regulation has the effect that people are going to avoid it and new regulation is required, more freedoms are taken away and so on. In the end everyone but the regulators are worse off. Yes vote Paul
Comment by Thizzmotion

what i describe is Big Brother forcing corporations like walmart and profitable small business to buy healthcare for the millions of uninsured workers. currently, there is no political interference, but there is also no healthcare for millions. what i describe is not communism, but effective gov’t policy on an unregulated industry. tell me, which industry in america ISN’T REGULATED? if you think there “shouldn’t” be ANY political interference then lets all vote for ron paul in 2012. i’m serious
Comment by asalade

What you describe is basically communism and it’s disastrous to the economy as well as personal freedoms. The system now in place is corporatism, which is basically the big corps having enough political power to enact legislation that helps *them*. Also very disastrous.

There should be no political interference in healthcare at all. Remember politicians are mostly helping themselves, not you. They are no angels but just humans who want to live the good life… at your expense and tax dollars
Comment by Thizzmotion

guy at the end says it’s about control. he doesn’t trust gov’t or big corporations because both curb his freedom. but what if the gov’t wants to control big corp and small business by mandating healthcare? isn’t that a good kind of control that doesn’t protrude into personal freedom?
Comment by akropiss

man you yanks are fucking thick.
Comment by Renegen1

So many stupid people opposing health care reform, lol!

Also check PBS Frontline report on different health care systems. There are a lot of private but better systems, like in Germany for example. It’s not all government, but man, these people are stupid!
Comment by CharlieWhitesWig

Reminds me of WWE. The statesmen are the wrestlers and the voters are the fans, complete with signs and thumbs down!
Comment by captcrais101

Dean is a real progressive not a blue dog. That is who he ran the DNC. Remember he critized the blue dogs. That is why he was a great DNC. He is a real liberal not a phony.
Comment by Neweddy24

It’s hilarious to see righty’s throwing around slogans like “dissent is American”
It’s like the years 2001-2008 never even happened (see Ann Coulters book “Treason” if you don’t know what I mean).. Or the anti-war protests of the sixties for that matter.
OCEANIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EAST ASIA!
Comment by Neweddy24

We would be under Dean too.
Comment by Neweddy24

GO SKINS!
Comment by captcrais101

I wish Dean was President instead of Obama. Also we are still employing those private war profiteers under Obama.
Comment by asalade

I more or less covered this in the same reply. If there is no private initiative, why would there be public initiative? After all, public initiative come from the minds of normal people, and if these people want to take care of the disabled why not do it themselves rather than to force others to do it and pay for it through legislation? I.e. if you really care about the disabled, help one or two yourself instead of “outsourcing” it to a government. This is true socialism.
Comment by papalosopher

This is a reply to Asalade’s “As for charities…” reply.

You say “Most people can take care of themselves…” what about those who can’t? I suspect you will say in a free and liberal society without the state getting in the way, volunteer will provide adequate help.

And we did, before the development of the welfare state, do just that… for our cousins, coreligionists, and friends. If your community did not have the resources to help you when you were down and out, you were screwed.
Comment by asalade

There would probably be poverty, but mostly for the people who ‘deserve’ it by taking big risks that bankrupt them. Or by being really lazy. Or by, as said, being incapable of working themselves. But there would be no large scale government created poverty like we see now all around the world, where even self responsible people are punished by having to pay for the losses of the irresponsible.
Comment by Bluedash3r

shit man if we didnt have to pay taxes we wouldnt need welfare and i can almost guarantee it be no poverty
Comment by jakob0815

behaving like adults seems to be such a hard thing….
Comment by sweetpete420

not everone pays taxes, and i never said i didnt believe in universal healthcare, i actually support the universal system in canada, and what do you mean not really? dosnt bad driving behaviour rise insurance costs? how about not slandering me about nothing. I abslutly against the whole idea of street racing, too many innnocent people have died in my hometown.